This podcast series features

in-depth interviews

with a wide range of corruption experts,

on questions such as:


What have we learned from 20+ years of (anti)corruption research? 

Why and how does power corrupt?

Which theories help to make sense of corruption?

What can we do to manage corruption?

How to recovery stolen assets?  


With a discussion around these and many other questions that fascinate us about corruption research we hope to reach and engage with a broad audience.


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KickBackGAP is a podcast project founded by...
- Nils Köbis
- Christopher Starke
- Matthew Stephenson

 Special thanks to Kayhan Golkar for composing our jingle "Points"

and Jonathan Kleinpass for his technical support.



KickBack - The Global Anticorruption Podcast

12. Oguzhan Dincer on measuring corruption at different levels & historic developments in Turkey (Mon, 19 Aug 2019)
This episode of KickBack features Oguzhan “Oz” Dincer, who is an Associate Professor of Economics and the Director of the Institute for Corruption Studies at the Illinois State University. Listen to how the famous research on the so-called fair wage hypothesis (Akerlof & Yellen, 1990; Soraperra et al.,) triggered Oz’s interest in corruption. Measurement of Corruption The interview covers Oz’s research on economics of corruption – focusing on the thorny challenge to measure corruption; how and when the national newspapers can serve as an indicator for national level of corruption. Oz describes his work on developing measures of legal and illegal corruption across U.S. states. You might wonder “what is legal corruption?”, Oz provides his working definition of “how much the actions of the legislature is influenced by the campaign finance”. The discussion covers pros and cons of the World Bank data on corruption, and the difficulty to assess corruption via surveys Political Culture of Corruption The two discuss the old question how culture shapes corruption. Oz outlines the cultural differences across the USA, mentioning research by Daniel A. Lazar who classifies political culture by categorizing who settled where. According to this method three main cultures exist in the USA: moralistic, individualistic, traditionalistic cultures. Oz research has tested whether the assumption that moralistic cultures care more about the collective good and are hence less corrupt is indeed true. A short history of Corruption in Turkey How the corruption in Turkey changed from minor forms of petty corruption became more frequent and was increasingly accompanied by grand forms of corruption after military take-over in the 1980’s. How government cuts on public salaries has increased corruption, how it has contributed to a reduction in democratic standards and eventually leading to a sense of hopelessness. Key References for the podcast: Akerlof, G. A., & Yellen, J. L. (1990). The Fair Wage-Effort Hypothesis and Unemployment. The Quarterly Journal of Economics, 105(2), 255. --> Classical work on fair wage hypothesis that inspired Oz to research corruption Soraperra, I., Köbis, N. C., Efferson, C., Vogt, S., Offerman, T., & Shalvi, S. (2019). A market for integrity An experiment on corruption in the education sector (CREED Working Papers). Amsterdam, Netherlands. Available via: --> More recent work on the subject whether higher wages lead to lower levels of corruption. Dincer, O. C. (2008). Ethnic and religious diversity and corruption. Economics Letters, 99(1), 98-102. --> Oz’s work on how ethnic and religious diversity relate to corruption
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11. Daria Kaleniuk on the anti-corruption reforms in Ukraine (Mon, 05 Aug 2019)
Our next guest on kickback: Daria Kaleniuk (Twitter:@dkaleniuk), the executive director of the Anticorruption action centre (Twitter: @antAC_ua; website: The interview covers: How corruption prevented Daria from achieving change and how it inspired her to use international legal tools to tackle corruption within Ukraine. How the anti-corruption action center bridges the work between #investigativejournalism and law enforcement The way international protest helped to map and seize assets owned by former Ukrainian president Janukovic and his enabling networks Then we zero in on the period after the #Euro-Maidan revolution ( ) The interview outlines the two main pillars of institutions that were set up to tackle corruption. Pillar 1 - Transparency about assets - Electronic assets declaration - Registry of beneficial ownership of companies - New public procurement system - Anticorruption prevention commission Pillar 2 - Enforcement and sanctioning of corruption - National anti-corruption bureau - Specialised anti-corruption prosecution - High anti-corruption court The two discuss: - The successes and challenges for both pillars, touching on the problem of requiring too many public officials to declare their assets and the challenge to verify (the often poor) information declared. - The importance of selection for the success of anti-corruption institutions - How the old elite influenced the outcome of selecting heads of these anti-corruption institutions - The surprising lack of political controversy around foreign (Western) experts in the selection process, using the concrete example of the selection process of the high anticorruption court - The media campaigns including #fakenews aimed to break anti-corruption initiatives and hinder anti-corruption reform - How the new political administration in Ukraine and its commitment to the anti-corruption reforms
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